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工艺验证对范围工艺参数是否需要进行边界验证??

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发表于 2017-5-19 15:06:25 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式

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各路大神们,,在新产品生产时进行的工艺验证需不需要对范围类的工艺参数进行边界验证?比如:工艺温度60~90℃,是否需要对60℃下的工艺与90℃下的工艺分别进行验证考察?有何依据?欢迎各位积极给出意见与理由?尤其是对GMP的理解。
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药徒
发表于 2017-5-19 15:08:42 | 显示全部楼层
不需要,验证前研究好就行
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药徒
发表于 2017-5-19 15:12:13 | 显示全部楼层
这个问题论坛里已经讨论过多次,不需要
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大师
发表于 2017-5-19 15:24:15 | 显示全部楼层
不需要,对于边界参数的验证应该在产品工艺设计和研发的时候做的
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药师
发表于 2017-5-20 08:45:45 | 显示全部楼层
没必要的。那是工艺研究的事。
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发表于 2017-5-22 22:18:42 | 显示全部楼层
验证参数其实就是一个点,当然需要考虑设备本身的误差范围。
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发表于 2017-6-7 19:34:39 | 显示全部楼层
一般不需要,但是工艺验证关键参数的选择应该是基于设计与研发阶段的数据,通过风险评估而定的。
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药徒
发表于 2017-8-9 15:39:09 | 显示全部楼层
以前我们是这样做的,但是还是放在研发阶段比较合适,毕竟大生产时为了刻意的控制边界很容易出现偏差
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药士
发表于 2017-9-2 23:51:33 | 显示全部楼层
通常情况下不需要:(后两个引用关于清洁验证,原理是一样的)

The commercial manufacturing process and routine procedures must be followed during PPQ protocol execution (§§ 211.100(b) and 211.110(a)). The PPQ lots should be manufactured under normal conditions by the personnel routinely expected to perform each step of each unit operation in the process. Normal operating conditions should include the utility systems (e.g., air handling and water purification), material, personnel, environment, and manufacturing procedures.
The approach to PPQ should be based on sound science and the manufacturer’s overall level of product and process understanding and demonstrable control. The cumulative data from all relevant studies (e.g., designed experiments; laboratory, pilot, and commercial batches) should be used to establish the manufacturing conditions in the PPQ. To understand the commercial process sufficiently, the manufacturer will need to consider the effects of scale. However, it is not typically necessary to explore the entire operating range at commercial scale if assurance can be provided by process design data. Previous credible experience with sufficiently similar products and processes can also be helpful. In addition, we strongly recommend firms employ objective measures (e.g., statistical metrics) wherever feasible and meaningful to achieve adequate assurance.

FDA process validation
https://www.fda.gov/downloads/drugs/guidances/ucm070336.pdf

10.4. Validation should consider the level of automation in the cleaning process. Where an automatic process is used, the specified normal operating range of the utilities and equipment should be validated.
10.5. For all cleaning processes an assessment should be performed to determine the variable factors which influence cleaning effectiveness and performance, e.g. operators, the level of detail in procedures such as rinsing times etc. If variable factors have been identified, the worst case situations should be used as the basis for cleaning validation studies(这个和cleaning validaiton不同,是指前面的process design 阶段).

EU Annex 15 qualification and validation
https://ec.europa.eu/health/sites/health/files/files/eudralex/vol-4/2015-10_annex15.pdf

Section 10.4 appears to be a statement similar to the FDA in its Process Validation guidance related to getting away from “worst case” conditions in a protocol and validating the normal operating range, particularly for automated cleaning processes. The specific statement in 10.4 is “Where an automatic process is used, the specified normal operating range of the utilities and equipment should be validated.” This interpretation, however, should be taken in light of what is stated in 10.5 about “worst case situations”.
Section 10.5 calls for a determination of the “variable factors” in a cleaning process, and if “variable factors have been identified, the worst case situations should be used as the basis for cleaning validation studies.” The cleaning “studies” here could refer to design and development studies done as part of a life cycle approach, but they might also apply to the validation protocols themselves.

What’s in Annex 15
http://101.247.67.17:9011/www.cleaningvalidation.com/c3pr90ntc0td/files/104545746.pdf

图片选自:
https://www.pda.org/docs/default-source/website-document-library/chapters/presentations/new-england/implementing-fda-amp-ema-process-validation-guidance.pdf?sfvrsn=6





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药生
发表于 2018-10-8 14:22:01 | 显示全部楼层
那我们没有研发方面的数据,药监局叫我们要体现啊;感觉掉入坑里面了。
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药神
发表于 2022-7-21 17:11:06 | 显示全部楼层
好资料,拿走了
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药徒
发表于 2023-8-22 09:58:13 | 显示全部楼层
beiwei5du 发表于 2017-9-2 23:51
通常情况下不需要:(后两个引用关于清洁验证,原理是一样的)

The commercial manufacturing process a ...

链接失效了,再提供下吧,很有帮助

What’s in Annex 15
http://101.247.67.17:9011/www.cl ... files/104545746.pdf
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